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magic3
New user
51 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 6:55am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi all just as a note of Warning, I recived a call yesterday by a un-
named tv company asking weather I was willing to reveal some NEW
illusions with a mask on ala masked magician style.
Money for this show is not a issue as they offerd Huge amounts of cash
to reveal the tricks on a step by step senario.
I said no and asked for more details, but after I had said no she
wanted to hang up and finish the conversation
So just as a word of caution to all illusionists and hire people etc
these people are out on the kill so please don't give in to money
temptation.
Magic 3
markparker
Loyal user
London England
295 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:09am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I predict someone will say yes..
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.4-effect.com - Bespoke Illusion design - Publications -Show
consultantcy....check out my new Vivisectioned illusion manuscript
available now
magic3
New user
51 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:12am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well whoever does this will get the whole of the magic world into
pannic.
It has to be a UK based illusionist and they are not many so we will
know who it is rather fast specially with the illusions they use.
Doruk Ülgen
New user
70 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:24am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope someone doesn't say yes...
MagicMatthews
New user
Sydney, Australia
66 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:40am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure the cost of flying a foreign magician to the UK would not be
a problem for the TV company if they cannot get someone locally.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't get even... Get odd!
Magicque
Veteran user
391 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 9:07am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Everybody, please say no and $%?**/
you....Pleasssssssssssssseeeee!!!!!!
Enough has been done already to destroy the art!
Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just say no!!!
And if you need money, sell your body! ;-) Do something creative!!!
Otherwise you'll get your behind kicked one day or another!
P.S. Just hope than one day, the magic community will stand as one and
beat some masked magicians up...I look forward to it...I'll probably
participate in the fight...
Eric
Laszlo Csizmadi
Special user
Canada
508 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 3:03pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 2008-08-21 06:55, magic3 wrote:
Hi all just as a note of Warning, I recived a call yesterday by a un-
named tv company asking weather I was willing to reveal some NEW
illusions with a mask on ala masked magician style.
Money for this show is not a issue as they offerd Huge amounts of cash
to reveal the tricks on a step by step senario.
I said no and asked for more details, but after I had said no she
wanted to hang up and finish the conversation.
So just as a word of caution to all illusionists and hire people etc
these people are out on the kill so please don't give in to money
temptation.
Magic 3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At least you should get the TV company name before you said no. It
might be just a stupid joke.
magic3
New user
51 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 3:28pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They called 3 times and I have the direct number I am not stupid. Do
not insult my logic mate there is always a clever one on this forum
SillverFoxx
New user
West Coast
29 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 1:57pm
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I don't understand the fascination with telling secrets like this...
personally I don't want to know how it's done, because then it
wouldn't be magical. I like being fooled, and I like letting my mind
escape for a few minutes while I'm watching things. I have my favorite
magicians/illusionists, and I would be positively heart broken if I
found out how their routines worked.
I really hope people keep their integrity, and turn their backs on the
money!
Magicque
Veteran user
391 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 3:11pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amen
Laszlo Csizmadi
Special user
Canada
508 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 3:55pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 2008-08-21 15:28, magic3 wrote:
They called 3 times and I have the direct number I am not stupid. Do
not insult my logic mate there is always a clever one on this forum
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Engish is not my native language sorry if you took that way. But here
is one question for you. Why would any TV company hire now a magician
if Val made already new series? Can you answer?
I see you reached your 50 posts. Let's celebrate.
magic3
New user
51 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 6:28pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Laszlo I cannot respond to you with a acurate response as I am not the
TV company producing the show. I think that one reason could be a
christmas special but I really don't know I tried to get as much info
from the person calling as possible but as it is to be imagined with
things like these they keep it as secretive as possible.
My only reason for the post is just to make people aware and if any
magician who has agreed to do it reads this post he should withdraw
now.
I think all magicians illusionists builders everyone that has anything
to do with the magic world should stand as one and stop exposure on
TV. Regardless of the reasons given by valentino the only person who
should make m agic change is the people who pay to see the show they
are the ones who should make magic change.
Jordan
wanmagic
New user
tulsa, ok
8 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 6:50am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE MASKED MAGICIAN IS GOING TO BE BACK AT IT IN THE US AS WELL. I
BELIEVE IT TO BE ON THE MY NETWORK OR CW. THEY ARE SET TO REVEAL OVER
120 ILLUSIONS IN 13 SPECIALS IN THERE FIRST SEASON. THE FIRST ON THE
CHOPPING BLOCK IS DEKOLTA CHAIR, PALANQUIN, VIVISECTION, AND
ASSISTANTS REVENGE. IT WILL AIR ON OCTOBER 6. ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
DID A INTERVIEW WITH THEM. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A TWISTER ILLUSION
ALSO. WILL THIS NEVER END MOST MAGICIANS AND ILLUSIONIST I TALK TO SAY
O THEY WON'T REMEMBER IT. LET'S SEE HERE 120 ILLLUSIONS 13 SPECIALS
RERUNS TO BOOT YES THAT IS GOING TO HURT BIG TIME. 120 ILLUSION IS
ALOT CAN ANY ONE OF THE TOP OF THERE HEAD EVEN THINK OF THAT MANY I
CAN'T. I DO BELIEVE IN THE FACT THAT WE DO NEED TO BAN TOGETHER ON
THIS AND STOP IT. NOT JUST IGNORE IT. IGNORING IT WON'T FIX THE
PROBLEM. THE FIRST FOUR HURT THESE ARE GOING TO BE DEVESTATING.
lover3
New user
27 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 8:49am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why did you cry, wanmagic ? write like me. we understand what you want
to say.
gulamerian
Veteran user
348 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 9:36am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately there is little to be done. This has been an ongoing
problem for years. The best bet is to write the sponsors and refuse to
buy their products. Aside from that this is like a storm, it must be
weathered out.
SillverFoxx
New user
West Coast
29 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 10:52am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 2008-08-27 06:50, wanmagic wrote:
THEY ARE SET TO REVEAL OVER 120 ILLUSIONS IN 13 SPECIALS IN THERE
FIRST SEASON.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In the FIRST season?? They're turning this into a television series?
Maybe there's something to be done legally... because if all of these
are to be exposed, wouldn't that potentially cause financial
difficulty for people who depend on these creations for their
livelihood?
I still don't get why anyone would want to watch; why take the magic
away? There's so few things left anymore that are truly magical... why
knowingly ruin this for others??
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 1:03pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would like to know if anybody know if masked magician could expose
Steinmeyer's creations?
gulamerian
Veteran user
348 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 1:23pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
He can and probably will. As I said before this has been a problem for
years.
jcmagicman
New user
87 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 3:38pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the big boys at the top of our industry can do something if
they really wanted to, but choose not to.
Without pointing fingers, one well known magician once revealed how to
make a submarine appear on stage on a show called "How Do They Do
That." I think many of you know who I am talking about. This makes me
wonder at times who else might be under that masked magician outfit.
This exposure is really destroying our craft.
Money comes and goes but mysteries are lost forever.. I don't care
what anyone else says. People do remember an effect.
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 4:06pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From what I know masked magician revealed a lot of very very old
illusion and with a dead creator ( sory for my english) but I ask
myself if could reveal some of Steinmeyer creations or other in life
creators ...if yes maybe will have big problems with them no?
freefallillusion1
Loyal user
Cincinnati, OH
228 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 4:37pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On a side note, has anyone seen these 13 new shows (new to us here in
the U.S.), and can give me a list of what is revealed? I am building
some illusions for a run in October and I really don't want to perform
the Dekolta chair only to have some kid come up afterwards and tell me
"they showed that one on T.V. last night". I know that magic will have
to weather this again but if I can avoid performing certain illusions
at exactly the same time as these shows, I will. Someone mentioned
Dekolta chair- does anyone have a more thorough list? Thanks!
Phil
stephane_arnow
New user
78 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 5:43pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
***.
What is the method to stop really that ? Ignore it is not the solution
now.
Who can beginn law pursuits ? Who can have the money to stop this sort
of programm ?
At the begining it was ''only''exposures of old illusions + some of
(great) common illusions such ZigZag or Shadow box. Now it becomes to
be a buchery. Circular saw, Broom suspension (thanks to Robert
Houdin ! I 'm french, and I hope he don't see that from his
tomb ...) . Now , if what I read is right, The Masked magician is on
the way to kill a sort of entertainment . And on this point, it can be
attackable by law. Who can do that? who WANTS do that ? and who has
the MONEY to do that????????????????
If he reveals some illusions of Jim Steinmeyer and some great and not
so old illusions, he can't continue to say that exposures are forcing
the magicians to create new illusions. His argument was an excuse
before, but not now. Now it is the buchery... We can't accept that.
In Europe, the TV program , from the 3 last seasons, is on CAble TV.
French public TV refused to show it ( the cultur minister in the past
worked for that, when the Association of French magicians presented
her the problem - Note : thanks Gilles Arthur and friends ). Not sure
there so so much audiance for that , but I suppose enough for the TV
producers who has bought those programms...
Where are in the new TV world , and a VERY BAD ONE TV WORLD : Fox TV
and Masked magician , American Got Talent and their copies in the
world (sorry for those who loves that sh...), STAR ACADEMY ( Real TV
with singers, even if I make tour sometimes with them - business is
business) etc...
There is LE PLUS GRAND CABARET DU MONDE in France ! A rare programm
different ,and excellent. For the rest...
I hope the new editions of masked magician never comes to the rest of
the world ...But I dreams...
Stephane
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 6:05pm
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I saw that here on magic Café we have pleasure to talk with some great
peoples like Pendragon or great builders like Bill Smith etc ...I know
is very hard to have a talk with VIP like Copperfield but I am very
sure that mr Smith or mrs Charlotte could talk anytime with
Copperfield or other VIP s with big possibilities anyhow the builders
specially must to pay atention at this thing about a new series of
revealed so
Dear Mr. Bill Smith if you read these post please do something ...call
your friends and do something if you want to sell further some of
Steinmeyer creations or other illusion from your bussines.
maybe is very well to send Mr Steinmeyer an email ...anyhow do
something.
magicross
New user
Staffordshire England
60 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 7:29pm
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Ok the masked magicians performance of the illusions is mediocre at
best. then to top it off the methods they give are often very dated or
in some cases not even used by modern magicians.
Now from what I cab gather so far it looks lik they will be revealing
older stuff that has been forgotten, however the video I have seen
contains the vivisection illusion. the prop they use is horrible, I
mean it makes some of the really bad builders out there look
positively professional.
However Mark Parkers version of this has just come out, and I
certainly don think it give away how his version works, but I do worry
if it could harm the sales of this illusion.
Time will tell on this one.
But I don't think it's gonna do a lot of magicains any favors at all.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ross
Stafforshire UK
http://www.myspace.com-evollusionuk
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=521027722
(feel free to add me)
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 3:45am
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From what I read here somebody told us that he well reveal 120
illusion in first series ...
If you think a little the very best and modern and very knowen by us
illusion are very few and if you reveal 120 I think that is very
possible to find that all creations are gone forever.
Is not something new that somebody I mean an idiot reveal a lot of
magic but the difference now is media is youtube is the internet...in
the past was not so dangerous but now the magic is like a giant with
feets made by clay earth.
Illusionist11
New user
84 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 8:30am
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Don't you realize what this is...it's not great for us for him to
reveal all of our illusions...but remember what happened after the
first masked magician shows aired. There was a burst of innovative
thinking that lead everyone to have and create new illusions...I'm
thinking this might happen again.
Pakar Ilusi
Special user
890 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 9:31am
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By that Logic, let's reveal all the Magic we now do or have ever
done.... Then, as you so nicely put it, "a burst of innovative
thinking that lead everyone to have and create new illusions" will
happen...
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"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
Illusionist11
New user
84 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 9:34am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not saying I agree with it...but that's exactly what happened.
Pakar Ilusi
Special user
890 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 9:41am
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Hmm, I see your point... They throw you lemons, make lemonade and
such.... It just sounds too much like what Valentino said to justify
his exposure....
Sorry, I'm a bit edgy and sad that there doesn't seem to be anything
legal we can do to stop this....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 12:12pm
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Dear fellows I will tell you what will happened ...anyhow this thing
happened right now and from some years back...wil be a very very few
illusion for the rest of us I mean public domain and the VIP in magic
will have just some illusion very very expensive just for them.
So if you haven't money enought will remain just with revealed
magic.
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magic3
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51 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 6:55am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi all just as a note of Warning, I recived a call yesterday by a un-
named tv company asking weather I was willing to reveal some NEW
illusions with a mask on ala masked magician style.
Money for this show is not a issue as they offerd Huge amounts of cash
to reveal the tricks on a step by step senario.
I said no and asked for more details, but after I had said no she
wanted to hang up and finish the conversation
So just as a word of caution to all illusionists and hire people etc
these people are out on the kill so please don't give in to money
temptation.
Magic 3
markparker
Loyal user
London England
295 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:09am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I predict someone will say yes..
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.4-effect.com - Bespoke Illusion design - Publications -Show
consultantcy....check out my new Vivisectioned illusion manuscript
available now
magic3
New user
51 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:12am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well whoever does this will get the whole of the magic world into
pannic.
It has to be a UK based illusionist and they are not many so we will
know who it is rather fast specially with the illusions they use.
Doruk Ülgen
New user
70 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:24am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope someone doesn't say yes...
MagicMatthews
New user
Sydney, Australia
66 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 8:40am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure the cost of flying a foreign magician to the UK would not be
a problem for the TV company if they cannot get someone locally.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't get even... Get odd!
Magicque
Veteran user
391 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 9:07am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Everybody, please say no and $%?**/
you....Pleasssssssssssssseeeee!!!!!!
Enough has been done already to destroy the art!
Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just say no!!!
And if you need money, sell your body! ;-) Do something creative!!!
Otherwise you'll get your behind kicked one day or another!
P.S. Just hope than one day, the magic community will stand as one and
beat some masked magicians up...I look forward to it...I'll probably
participate in the fight...
Eric
Laszlo Csizmadi
Special user
Canada
508 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 3:03pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 2008-08-21 06:55, magic3 wrote:
Hi all just as a note of Warning, I recived a call yesterday by a un-
named tv company asking weather I was willing to reveal some NEW
illusions with a mask on ala masked magician style.
Money for this show is not a issue as they offerd Huge amounts of cash
to reveal the tricks on a step by step senario.
I said no and asked for more details, but after I had said no she
wanted to hang up and finish the conversation.
So just as a word of caution to all illusionists and hire people etc
these people are out on the kill so please don't give in to money
temptation.
Magic 3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At least you should get the TV company name before you said no. It
might be just a stupid joke.
magic3
New user
51 Posts Posted: Aug 21, 2008 3:28pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They called 3 times and I have the direct number I am not stupid. Do
not insult my logic mate there is always a clever one on this forum
SillverFoxx
New user
West Coast
29 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 1:57pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't understand the fascination with telling secrets like this...
personally I don't want to know how it's done, because then it
wouldn't be magical. I like being fooled, and I like letting my mind
escape for a few minutes while I'm watching things. I have my favorite
magicians/illusionists, and I would be positively heart broken if I
found out how their routines worked.
I really hope people keep their integrity, and turn their backs on the
money!
Magicque
Veteran user
391 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 3:11pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amen
Laszlo Csizmadi
Special user
Canada
508 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 3:55pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 2008-08-21 15:28, magic3 wrote:
They called 3 times and I have the direct number I am not stupid. Do
not insult my logic mate there is always a clever one on this forum
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Engish is not my native language sorry if you took that way. But here
is one question for you. Why would any TV company hire now a magician
if Val made already new series? Can you answer?
I see you reached your 50 posts. Let's celebrate.
magic3
New user
51 Posts Posted: Aug 22, 2008 6:28pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Laszlo I cannot respond to you with a acurate response as I am not the
TV company producing the show. I think that one reason could be a
christmas special but I really don't know I tried to get as much info
from the person calling as possible but as it is to be imagined with
things like these they keep it as secretive as possible.
My only reason for the post is just to make people aware and if any
magician who has agreed to do it reads this post he should withdraw
now.
I think all magicians illusionists builders everyone that has anything
to do with the magic world should stand as one and stop exposure on
TV. Regardless of the reasons given by valentino the only person who
should make m agic change is the people who pay to see the show they
are the ones who should make magic change.
Jordan
wanmagic
New user
tulsa, ok
8 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 6:50am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE MASKED MAGICIAN IS GOING TO BE BACK AT IT IN THE US AS WELL. I
BELIEVE IT TO BE ON THE MY NETWORK OR CW. THEY ARE SET TO REVEAL OVER
120 ILLUSIONS IN 13 SPECIALS IN THERE FIRST SEASON. THE FIRST ON THE
CHOPPING BLOCK IS DEKOLTA CHAIR, PALANQUIN, VIVISECTION, AND
ASSISTANTS REVENGE. IT WILL AIR ON OCTOBER 6. ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
DID A INTERVIEW WITH THEM. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A TWISTER ILLUSION
ALSO. WILL THIS NEVER END MOST MAGICIANS AND ILLUSIONIST I TALK TO SAY
O THEY WON'T REMEMBER IT. LET'S SEE HERE 120 ILLLUSIONS 13 SPECIALS
RERUNS TO BOOT YES THAT IS GOING TO HURT BIG TIME. 120 ILLUSION IS
ALOT CAN ANY ONE OF THE TOP OF THERE HEAD EVEN THINK OF THAT MANY I
CAN'T. I DO BELIEVE IN THE FACT THAT WE DO NEED TO BAN TOGETHER ON
THIS AND STOP IT. NOT JUST IGNORE IT. IGNORING IT WON'T FIX THE
PROBLEM. THE FIRST FOUR HURT THESE ARE GOING TO BE DEVESTATING.
lover3
New user
27 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 8:49am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why did you cry, wanmagic ? write like me. we understand what you want
to say.
gulamerian
Veteran user
348 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 9:36am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately there is little to be done. This has been an ongoing
problem for years. The best bet is to write the sponsors and refuse to
buy their products. Aside from that this is like a storm, it must be
weathered out.
SillverFoxx
New user
West Coast
29 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 10:52am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 2008-08-27 06:50, wanmagic wrote:
THEY ARE SET TO REVEAL OVER 120 ILLUSIONS IN 13 SPECIALS IN THERE
FIRST SEASON.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In the FIRST season?? They're turning this into a television series?
Maybe there's something to be done legally... because if all of these
are to be exposed, wouldn't that potentially cause financial
difficulty for people who depend on these creations for their
livelihood?
I still don't get why anyone would want to watch; why take the magic
away? There's so few things left anymore that are truly magical... why
knowingly ruin this for others??
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 1:03pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would like to know if anybody know if masked magician could expose
Steinmeyer's creations?
gulamerian
Veteran user
348 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 1:23pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
He can and probably will. As I said before this has been a problem for
years.
jcmagicman
New user
87 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 3:38pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the big boys at the top of our industry can do something if
they really wanted to, but choose not to.
Without pointing fingers, one well known magician once revealed how to
make a submarine appear on stage on a show called "How Do They Do
That." I think many of you know who I am talking about. This makes me
wonder at times who else might be under that masked magician outfit.
This exposure is really destroying our craft.
Money comes and goes but mysteries are lost forever.. I don't care
what anyone else says. People do remember an effect.
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 4:06pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From what I know masked magician revealed a lot of very very old
illusion and with a dead creator ( sory for my english) but I ask
myself if could reveal some of Steinmeyer creations or other in life
creators ...if yes maybe will have big problems with them no?
freefallillusion1
Loyal user
Cincinnati, OH
228 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 4:37pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On a side note, has anyone seen these 13 new shows (new to us here in
the U.S.), and can give me a list of what is revealed? I am building
some illusions for a run in October and I really don't want to perform
the Dekolta chair only to have some kid come up afterwards and tell me
"they showed that one on T.V. last night". I know that magic will have
to weather this again but if I can avoid performing certain illusions
at exactly the same time as these shows, I will. Someone mentioned
Dekolta chair- does anyone have a more thorough list? Thanks!
Phil
stephane_arnow
New user
78 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 5:43pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
***.
What is the method to stop really that ? Ignore it is not the solution
now.
Who can beginn law pursuits ? Who can have the money to stop this sort
of programm ?
At the begining it was ''only''exposures of old illusions + some of
(great) common illusions such ZigZag or Shadow box. Now it becomes to
be a buchery. Circular saw, Broom suspension (thanks to Robert
Houdin ! I 'm french, and I hope he don't see that from his
tomb ...) . Now , if what I read is right, The Masked magician is on
the way to kill a sort of entertainment . And on this point, it can be
attackable by law. Who can do that? who WANTS do that ? and who has
the MONEY to do that????????????????
If he reveals some illusions of Jim Steinmeyer and some great and not
so old illusions, he can't continue to say that exposures are forcing
the magicians to create new illusions. His argument was an excuse
before, but not now. Now it is the buchery... We can't accept that.
In Europe, the TV program , from the 3 last seasons, is on CAble TV.
French public TV refused to show it ( the cultur minister in the past
worked for that, when the Association of French magicians presented
her the problem - Note : thanks Gilles Arthur and friends ). Not sure
there so so much audiance for that , but I suppose enough for the TV
producers who has bought those programms...
Where are in the new TV world , and a VERY BAD ONE TV WORLD : Fox TV
and Masked magician , American Got Talent and their copies in the
world (sorry for those who loves that sh...), STAR ACADEMY ( Real TV
with singers, even if I make tour sometimes with them - business is
business) etc...
There is LE PLUS GRAND CABARET DU MONDE in France ! A rare programm
different ,and excellent. For the rest...
I hope the new editions of masked magician never comes to the rest of
the world ...But I dreams...
Stephane
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 6:05pm
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I saw that here on magic Café we have pleasure to talk with some great
peoples like Pendragon or great builders like Bill Smith etc ...I know
is very hard to have a talk with VIP like Copperfield but I am very
sure that mr Smith or mrs Charlotte could talk anytime with
Copperfield or other VIP s with big possibilities anyhow the builders
specially must to pay atention at this thing about a new series of
revealed so
Dear Mr. Bill Smith if you read these post please do something ...call
your friends and do something if you want to sell further some of
Steinmeyer creations or other illusion from your bussines.
maybe is very well to send Mr Steinmeyer an email ...anyhow do
something.
magicross
New user
Staffordshire England
60 Posts Posted: Aug 27, 2008 7:29pm
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Ok the masked magicians performance of the illusions is mediocre at
best. then to top it off the methods they give are often very dated or
in some cases not even used by modern magicians.
Now from what I cab gather so far it looks lik they will be revealing
older stuff that has been forgotten, however the video I have seen
contains the vivisection illusion. the prop they use is horrible, I
mean it makes some of the really bad builders out there look
positively professional.
However Mark Parkers version of this has just come out, and I
certainly don think it give away how his version works, but I do worry
if it could harm the sales of this illusion.
Time will tell on this one.
But I don't think it's gonna do a lot of magicains any favors at all.
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Ross
Stafforshire UK
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j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 3:45am
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From what I read here somebody told us that he well reveal 120
illusion in first series ...
If you think a little the very best and modern and very knowen by us
illusion are very few and if you reveal 120 I think that is very
possible to find that all creations are gone forever.
Is not something new that somebody I mean an idiot reveal a lot of
magic but the difference now is media is youtube is the internet...in
the past was not so dangerous but now the magic is like a giant with
feets made by clay earth.
Illusionist11
New user
84 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 8:30am
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Don't you realize what this is...it's not great for us for him to
reveal all of our illusions...but remember what happened after the
first masked magician shows aired. There was a burst of innovative
thinking that lead everyone to have and create new illusions...I'm
thinking this might happen again.
Pakar Ilusi
Special user
890 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 9:31am
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By that Logic, let's reveal all the Magic we now do or have ever
done.... Then, as you so nicely put it, "a burst of innovative
thinking that lead everyone to have and create new illusions" will
happen...
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"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
Illusionist11
New user
84 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 9:34am
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I'm not saying I agree with it...but that's exactly what happened.
Pakar Ilusi
Special user
890 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 9:41am
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Hmm, I see your point... They throw you lemons, make lemonade and
such.... It just sounds too much like what Valentino said to justify
his exposure....
Sorry, I'm a bit edgy and sad that there doesn't seem to be anything
legal we can do to stop this....
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"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
j.i.s.
New user
99 Posts Posted: Aug 28, 2008 12:12pm
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Dear fellows I will tell you what will happened ...anyhow this thing
happened right now and from some years back...wil be a very very few
illusion for the rest of us I mean public domain and the VIP in magic
will have just some illusion very very expensive just for them.
So if you haven't money enought will remain just with revealed
magic.
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