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Self-lighting candle -- what to use for igniter?
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Cameron Raygun
2006-02-20 15:25:01 UTC
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Another question: I'm interested in the idea of a self-lighting candle.
I know a reed switch, battery, and some sort of igniter will work.

Question is: what's a good idea to use for the igniter? I know you
could use a rocket igniter (ala Mitch's voodoo doll in the archive),
but is there anything else? A glo-plug maybe? (Haven't messed around
with a glo-plug -- so I'm not sure if this is even a good idea.)

I want the candle to be reusable -- and I'm afraid rocket igniters
(while spectacular) would probably get a little pricey.

Something that would slowly heat a wad of flash paper/cotton and would
be resettable?
Little Paul
2006-02-20 16:41:22 UTC
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Post by Cameron Raygun
Another question: I'm interested in the idea of a self-lighting candle.
I know a reed switch, battery, and some sort of igniter will work.
Question is: what's a good idea to use for the igniter? I know you
could use a rocket igniter (ala Mitch's voodoo doll in the archive),
but is there anything else? A glo-plug maybe? (Haven't messed around
with a glo-plug -- so I'm not sure if this is even a good idea.)
I want the candle to be reusable -- and I'm afraid rocket igniters
(while spectacular) would probably get a little pricey.
Get yourself some very fine fuse wire. Then get yourself a match. Wrap
a short length of the fuse wire around the head of the match. Apply the
current, and there you have it. An electric match.

Matches and fuse wire cost pennies and you could probably make a box
full of these things in about an hour. If you can't find any fuse wire
fine enough, get some small guage stranded electrical hookup wire.
Strip it down to single strands and use that instead.

You could experiment with gloplugs and flash paper - but I think a
glowplug would probably require more current than a PP9 will readilly
kick out, and probably be too bulky to boot.

-Paul
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www.trickswithhats.org/dvd - PAL VHS Hat videos a bargain at only £3!!!
Art
2006-02-20 19:22:33 UTC
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And the idea is to let go of the switch as soon as the match lights or you
will have to change the wire everytime you use it.
Post by Little Paul
Post by Cameron Raygun
Another question: I'm interested in the idea of a self-lighting candle.
I know a reed switch, battery, and some sort of igniter will work.
Question is: what's a good idea to use for the igniter? I know you
could use a rocket igniter (ala Mitch's voodoo doll in the archive),
but is there anything else? A glo-plug maybe? (Haven't messed around
with a glo-plug -- so I'm not sure if this is even a good idea.)
I want the candle to be reusable -- and I'm afraid rocket igniters
(while spectacular) would probably get a little pricey.
Get yourself some very fine fuse wire. Then get yourself a match. Wrap
a short length of the fuse wire around the head of the match. Apply the
current, and there you have it. An electric match.
Matches and fuse wire cost pennies and you could probably make a box
full of these things in about an hour. If you can't find any fuse wire
fine enough, get some small guage stranded electrical hookup wire.
Strip it down to single strands and use that instead.
You could experiment with gloplugs and flash paper - but I think a
glowplug would probably require more current than a PP9 will readilly
kick out, and probably be too bulky to boot.
-Paul
--
www.trickswithhats.org/dvd - PAL VHS Hat videos a bargain at only £3!!!
mitchell_leary
2006-02-21 00:06:30 UTC
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Yur way will work but you're making more work for yourself than you
need to.


TRICK CANDLE #1

Take a 12-15 inch length of white PVC pipe and shove a butane lighter
in one end. Cut a notch out of the back to flick the lighter and
ignite it just as you normally would. Bingo, you've got yourself a
self-lighting candle.

A couple more things about the above trick candle. Get a piece of
silver muffler tape and cover the inside edge where the flame is
closest to the PVC, this will prevent it from melting. Also, you can
burn or drill a hole in the butane release lever and hook a long wire
down the back of the candle. This way you can hold the candle lower at
the base. Plug the bottom end with a wooden dowel and paint white.


TRICK CANDLE #2:

Jeff McBride sells this one. Around Christmas you can buy those fat
fake plastic candles that have a bulb on top simulating the flame.
They are about a foot ong and 3 inchs in diameter. Take one home and
rip all that electrical shit out, leaving you with a hollow shell.
Next, shove a butane barbecue igniter down inside it, the kind that you
pull the trigger and a flame comes out of the other end. All that's
left is to drill a one inch finger hole in the side. So when you stick
your finger in through the back you can flick the BBQ ignitor on and
you've got yourself a another trick candle.


TRICK CANDLE #3:

This one was a dealer item called the Atomic Candle. It's a real wax
candle with a strike-anywhere match shoved down beside the wick. The
match head is sticking out right beside the wick. Inside your coat is
a striker from the side of a matchbox, safety pinned by your breast
pocket. The candle rested in the pocket next to it. The idea was to
reach inside your pocket, strike the match on the striker, then bring
out a lit candle from inside our coat.


It looks a lot more mysterious to bring a lit candle out of an
impossible place like your pocket, than to simply make a candle light
on it's own. Bring one of the above out from under a cloth, that's
magic! You could place the striker on the last trick candle anywhere,
like your finger with double-sided tape. Just light the match on your
finger as you bring it out.


About your original ideas. Think along the lines of using a lighter
wick, saturated with lighter fluid, seated in 1/8th inch metal tube.
For this one I'd use a fake candle, probably metal, painted white. A
glo-plug will work, but a nichrome model rocket ignitor will work
better. It's what I used for m self-lighting match.



-Leary-
Cameron Raygun
2006-02-21 16:12:52 UTC
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Lots of good ideas. Thanks. I'm going to look into #1 and #2.

The whole "flame outta nowhere" thing -- for whatever reason -- is
interesting to me. I've been working on aging Tarot cards -- to give
them a worn, antique, ancient look. It dawned on me that I could use
some old barn siding -- or some sort of rotted wood -- and construct a
crucifix-like thing with the reed switch/batter/igniter running up the
vertical -- or maybe even out the horizontals -- then with my neo mag
in band-aid or PK ring -- whammo -- a flaming crucifix/voodoo/exorcism
thing on demand.

Not sure where the cards fit in -- but I'm sure there's an bizarro
effect there somewhere. (Although it all might be overkill, I dunno.)
Mystician (Paul H)
2006-02-26 03:26:28 UTC
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On 21 Feb 2006 08:12:52 -0800, "Cameron Raygun"
Post by Cameron Raygun
Lots of good ideas. Thanks. I'm going to look into #1 and #2.
The whole "flame outta nowhere" thing -- for whatever reason -- is
interesting to me. I've been working on aging Tarot cards -- to give
them a worn, antique, ancient look. It dawned on me that I could use
some old barn siding -- or some sort of rotted wood -- and construct a
crucifix-like thing with the reed switch/batter/igniter running up the
vertical -- or maybe even out the horizontals -- then with my neo mag
in band-aid or PK ring -- whammo -- a flaming crucifix/voodoo/exorcism
thing on demand.
Not sure where the cards fit in -- but I'm sure there's an bizarro
effect there somewhere. (Although it all might be overkill, I dunno.)
Sounds good to me ! ;-) My kind of magic.

The best known wire to heat up under current is Nichrome wire.
One use of nichrome wire is in those craft cutters to cut (or melt,
actually) through thick styrofoam - the cutter sort of resembles a
shallow coping saw.
It's also used in toasters., but at heavier gauges than you want.
I found plenty of nichrome wire on eBay, you probably want something
around a gauge of .040, this will heat up nicely with just a battery.
The heavier the gauge, of course, the more voltage you'll need from
the battery to get it nice 'n'hot.
mitchell_leary
2006-02-26 05:37:18 UTC
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Nichrome wire is some fun stuff to play with. You can make your own
ignitors as follows:

-Take about a 2 inch length of nichrome wire and bend in into a "U".

-Crush up some match heads into a powder.

-Dip the tip of the U-shapped wire into glue, then directly into the
grond up match heads.

-Place on wax paper and allow to dry.


This can be used to ignite flash paper or flash powder in a flash pot.
It is assumed the reader understands basic electronics and how to make
a complete circuit.



-Leary-
Ray Haddad
2006-02-26 06:17:08 UTC
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On 25 Feb 2006 21:37:18 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and
Post by mitchell_leary
Nichrome wire is some fun stuff to play with. You can make your own
Now here is another of Mitch Leary's ideas that cannot work under
any circumstance as described by the self appointed genius. I will
describe what is wrong and why you should take any advice he offers
and dismiss it as the exact wrong answer.
Post by mitchell_leary
-Take about a 2 inch length of nichrome wire and bend in into a "U".
Why? As long as the wire is in contact with current, the entire wire
will heat up, not just the part shaped like a "U."
Post by mitchell_leary
-Crush up some match heads into a powder.
Did you mean those with a white tip? Of course you did. The others
won't ignite with simple heat from a nichrome wire. At least not
reliably since the wire get's uniformly warm all over before one
spot burns through randomly. In book matches, the striker surface
actually begins the ignition in the match head. Open flame is
required to get the red bit to ignite. You need those old "strike
anywhere" type of kitchen matches to create what Mitch is only
partly describing.
Post by mitchell_leary
-Dip the tip of the U-shapped wire into glue, then directly into the
grond up match heads.
Another waste of time and this act even further guarantees that the
wire will heat up wherever there is NO glue versus where there is
glue. The coefficient of heat transfer is far greater through the
insulated area under the glue than in the open air.
Post by mitchell_leary
-Place on wax paper and allow to dry.
Glue can dry in air. Use an alligator clip to keep it away from the
table.
Post by mitchell_leary
This can be used to ignite flash paper or flash powder in a flash pot.
It is assumed the reader understands basic electronics and how to make
a complete circuit.
How about more than basic electronics knowledge, Mitch? How about
either stretching the nichrome wire to thin it at the place where
you want it to heat up or using an X-Acto blade to scrape it thin
where you want it to burn through? That would work. The match heads
are not needed. Thinned nichrome wire will burn through at the exact
thinnest point every time and are far more than enough to heat flash
paper to ignition without any nonsensical match head concoction.

Let me fill you guys in on something here. Flash paper can be
ignited by a proximity to a strobe flash or the bright light and
heat from a quartz halogen light bulb in one of those pocket
flashlights. Believe it. It's true. That's what makes it so
dangerous to handle and transport. In fact, most clubs in the US now
refuse to allow you to use it for any performance without a
pyrotechnic license. This isn't speculation on my part. It's the
absolute truth. Magicians have been fired on the spot, their act
stopped at the point fire was used if they didn't have the proper
permission ahead of time to use fire.

No, seriously.

This is a dangerous game to play. Setting off flash pots, flash
paper and other automatically lighting fires can get people killed
or maimed when they are mishandled. Do as you wish, of course, but
be ready to pay for your blind devotion to that idiot Mitch and his
harebrained ideas. No matter what else happens, YOU, not Mitch are
going to pay the price for any failure to obey the law or for any
flawed theory of magic that Mitch puts forward.
--
Ray
NonplainJane
2006-02-26 13:50:35 UTC
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You have posted some obviously useful info, but from the tone of your writing,
you are apparently a conceited asshole that THINKS his is the source of all
information. Drop the condescending attitude and join in the fun.
Post by Ray Haddad
On 25 Feb 2006 21:37:18 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and
Post by mitchell_leary
Nichrome wire is some fun stuff to play with. You can make your own
Now here is another of Mitch Leary's ideas that cannot work under
any circumstance as described by the self appointed genius. I will
describe what is wrong and why you should take any advice he offers
and dismiss it as the exact wrong answer.
Post by mitchell_leary
-Take about a 2 inch length of nichrome wire and bend in into a "U".
Why? As long as the wire is in contact with current, the entire wire
will heat up, not just the part shaped like a "U."
Post by mitchell_leary
-Crush up some match heads into a powder.
Did you mean those with a white tip? Of course you did. The others
won't ignite with simple heat from a nichrome wire. At least not
reliably since the wire get's uniformly warm all over before one
spot burns through randomly. In book matches, the striker surface
actually begins the ignitio ninthematchhead.Openflameis
required to get the red bit to ignite. You need those old "strike
anywhere" type of kitchen matches to create what Mitch is only
partly describing.
Post by mitchell_leary
-Dip the tip of the U-shapped wire into glue, then directly into the
grond up match heads.
Another waste of time and this act even further guarantees that the
wire will heat up wherever there is NO glue versus where there is
glue. The coefficient of heat transfer is far greater through the
insulated area under the glue than in the open air.
Post by mitchell_leary
-Place on wax paper and allow to dry.
Glue can dry in air. Use an alligator clip to keep it away from the
table.
Post by mitchell_leary
This can be used to ignite flash paper or flash powder in a flash pot.
It is assumed the reader understands basic electronics and how to make
a complete circuit.
How about more than basic electronics knowledge, Mitch? How about
either stretching the nichrome wire to thin it at the place where
you want it to heat up or using an X-Acto blade to scrape it thin
where you want it to burn through? That would work. The match heads
are not needed. Thinned nichrome wire will burn through at the exact
thinnest point every time and are far more than enough to heat flash
paper to ignition without any nonsensical match head concoction.
Let me fill you guys in on something here. Flash paper can be
ignited by a proximity to a strobe flash or the bright light and
heat from a quartz halogen light bulb in one of those pocket
flashlights. Believe it. It's true. That's what makes it so
dangerous to handle and transport. In fact, most clubs in the US now
refuse to allow you to use it for any performance without a
pyrotechnic license. This isn't speculation on my part. It's the
absolute truth. Magicians have been fired on the spot, their act
stopped at the point fire was used if they didn't have the proper
permission ahead of time to use fire.
No, seriously.
This is a dangerous game to play. Setting off flash pots, flash
paper and other automatically lighting fires can get people killed
or maimed when they are mishandled. Do as you wish, of course, but
be ready to pay for your blind devotion to that idiot Mitch and his
harebrained ideas. No matter what else happens, YOU, not Mitch are
going to pay the price for any failure to obey the law or for any
flawed theory of magic that Mitch puts forward.
Ray Haddad
2006-02-26 15:00:36 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:50:35 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by NonplainJane
You have posted some obviously useful info, but from the tone of your writing,
you are apparently a conceited asshole that THINKS his is the source of all
information. Drop the condescending attitude and join in the fun.
Wrong.

Mitch is dangerous and so are most if his ideas. If you don't like
what I write, don't read it. It's your choice. I've been in this
business longer than most who read this have been alive.
--
Ray
Cameron Raygun
2006-02-26 15:40:12 UTC
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I think the value of this thread -- and others (not to mention all the
archived posts by Mitch) -- is that they are a great source of creative
brainstorming. If someone wants to learn how to "think magic" -- then
every little bit of off-kilter, off-the-wall thinking helps.

True, you don't want to engineer something potentially dangerous -- but
talking about it and actually doing it are two different things. And
unless there's a place to talk about it -- swap around ideas, no matter
how crazy (my shimmed billet, for example -- which, I've been told, is
a Bob Cassidy creation) -- then no one gets any ideas for anything.
Wackiness tends to lead in good directions.

I suspect some folks here have personal grudges. That's fine. But I've
discovered over the years that personal grduges tend to put the damper
on all the crazy shit that usually leads to the interesting shit.

Just my two cents. But carry on.
Ray Haddad
2006-02-26 20:21:27 UTC
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On 26 Feb 2006 07:40:12 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and
Post by Cameron Raygun
I think the value of this thread -- and others (not to mention all the
archived posts by Mitch) -- is that they are a great source of creative
brainstorming. If someone wants to learn how to "think magic" -- then
every little bit of off-kilter, off-the-wall thinking helps.
That's fine as long as there's nothing dangerous being espoused. Do
you want to try and become the next one armed magician? Would you
like to do magic as a blind person?
Post by Cameron Raygun
True, you don't want to engineer something potentially dangerous -- but
talking about it and actually doing it are two different things. And
unless there's a place to talk about it -- swap around ideas, no matter
how crazy (my shimmed billet, for example -- which, I've been told, is
a Bob Cassidy creation) -- then no one gets any ideas for anything.
Wackiness tends to lead in good directions.
Your shimmed billet is not dangerous. No one is ever going to have
your billet explode on them or heat up at the wrong point of the
wire like Mitch's proposal does. By the way, Bob Cassidy's idea is
not for a billet but a piece of cardstock. A billet is something
commonly folded while a card doesn't get folded.
Post by Cameron Raygun
I suspect some folks here have personal grudges. That's fine. But I've
discovered over the years that personal grduges tend to put the damper
on all the crazy shit that usually leads to the interesting shit.
Mitch wrote two books under the name of Lee Scott. The Magician's
Arsenal and The Anarchist's Cookbook. Both of them are filled with
some of the most dangerous ideas ever put to paper. Both were
published by Paladin Press and later withdrawn because some people
were actually treating them as legitimate scientifically proven
experiments. In one item, for example, the resident genius Mitch
proposes to use a transformer to change DC voltage from one level to
another.

Paladin Press dropped both after lawsuits resulted. Do I have a
grudge against Mitch? Heaven's no. I am just biased to the concept
of you (and others here) keeping all of your digits and limbs as you
play around and learn about this wonderful practice of conjuring.
Post by Cameron Raygun
Just my two cents. But carry on.
Don't forget your change, sir.
--
Ray

Steve
2006-02-26 15:14:04 UTC
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Post by NonplainJane
You have posted some obviously useful info, but from the tone of your writing,
you are apparently a conceited asshole that THINKS his is the source of all
information. Drop the condescending attitude and join in the fun.
Mitch talks alot of BS but says it in a way that make it sound very
plausible. Just take his "knowledge" with a pinch of salt is all.

Steve
Ray Haddad
2006-02-26 20:11:27 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:14:04 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Post by NonplainJane
Post by NonplainJane
You have posted some obviously useful info, but from the tone of your
writing,
Post by NonplainJane
you are apparently a conceited asshole that THINKS his is the source of
all
Post by NonplainJane
information. Drop the condescending attitude and join in the fun.
Mitch talks alot of BS but says it in a way that make it sound very
plausible. Just take his "knowledge" with a pinch of salt is all.
And always wear your body armor when you try his brilliant "ideas."
--
Ray
mitchell_leary
2006-02-26 16:54:31 UTC
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If anyone is having trouble getting the nichrome to heat up red hot,
either use thinner gauge nichrome or pump more current through the
wire. Any wire will evntually heat up red hot when enough juice is
applied; nichrome is just very sensitive to it.


Too much current through a wire and it will explode. Fun with
exploding wires is for another post.



-Leary-
mitchell_leary
2006-02-26 16:41:58 UTC
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HOMEMADE IGNITOR #2:


Another favorite improvised ignitor is made from a flashlight bulb or a
small christmas bulb. It is made as follows:

-Take one of the above mentioned bulbs and wrap it in a small cloth or
rag.

-With pliers squeeze the bulb to crush the glass, it is very important
that the bulb filament remain intact.

-With the glass gone you now have a bare filament.

-Crush up some match heads into powder. Roll the bare filament in glue,
then into the powdered match heads. Allow to dry on wax paper.

-You now have an ignitor that will ignite flashpaper, flash powder,
gunpowder, flammable liquids, etc.


Instead of powdered match heads the filiment can be dipped into
gunpowder (after the glue).

Flashlight bulbs can be rather exspensive, but you can find christmas
bulbs for pennies the day after christmas.




-Leary-
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