Discussion:
Copperfield OR Penn & Teller?
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Sanct
2003-07-08 14:00:52 UTC
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Hi All

I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.

I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?

Thanks for the help & advice,

Sanct
Little Paul
2003-07-08 14:23:42 UTC
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Post by Sanct
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Personally I find Copperfield big, flashy and above all tedious and
boring to watch. In my opinion, Penn & Teller are much more
entertaining so for me there would be no contest. P&T All the way.

-Paul
fLaMePr0oF
2003-07-08 16:24:24 UTC
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I'd go for Penn & Teller every time as I'm more interested in the wider art
than in big flashy illusions. (Also I simply find Copperfield annoying -
but that's just me).

fLaMePr0oF <><
Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
j
2003-07-08 18:22:22 UTC
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No..it's not just you. LOTS of us feel the same.
Post by fLaMePr0oF
I'd go for Penn & Teller every time as I'm more interested in the wider art
than in big flashy illusions. (Also I simply find Copperfield annoying -
but that's just me).
fLaMePr0oF <><
Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
richard cadot
2003-07-09 18:32:02 UTC
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What a relief to hear you guys say that... I felt so "alone" not being a
Copperfield kind of magic fan. He may well be a master at this kind of
magic, I just don't like that kind of magic, not the magician... People
usually don't understand what I mean.

Richard
Post by j
No..it's not just you. LOTS of us feel the same.
Post by fLaMePr0oF
I'd go for Penn & Teller every time as I'm more interested in the wider
art
Post by fLaMePr0oF
than in big flashy illusions. (Also I simply find Copperfield annoying -
but that's just me).
fLaMePr0oF <><
The Rat Girl
2003-07-09 19:12:17 UTC
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Post by richard cadot
What a relief to hear you guys say that... I felt so "alone" not being a
Copperfield kind of magic fan. He may well be a master at this kind of
magic, I just don't like that kind of magic, not the magician... People
usually don't understand what I mean.
Richard
Copperfield reminds me of runway modeling... everyone oohs and ahhs but
no one in the real world will ever wear that stuff...it's just for show,
and there really isn't any practicality to it. In a way, he seems like a
pop-up book. The same gimmick on every page. (wow watch the big thing
disappear, wow look a wind machine)

I still miss doug henning tho... he wasn't the best magician but he sure
was a likeable guy... same with Mac King..except he really is a good
magician.
richard cadot
2003-07-10 00:58:29 UTC
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Hello Rat girl,

I agree... As I was telling my wife (because Copperfield will be in Montreal
and we suspect we'll be getting tickets for his show for our birthday) I
have a lot of respect for him and will gladly see him perform live if only
once in my life. But your comparision to fashion shows is perfect.
Interesting to look at but not something I would like to see all the time.
If magic was only what he does, I probably would never have been interested
in it.

Also funny that you mention Doug Henning since he was the magician that got
me interested in magic at a tender age. Of course, there was "Magic Tom" too
(I'm sure there are some Canadians on this newsgroup that remember him, he
specialized in kid shows) but Doug Henning has a special place in my heart
because for the first of my life, I was affraid to see a magician fail to
escape a Houdini kind of underwater contraption...

*Sigh* Memories, memories... Hehe!

Richard
Post by The Rat Girl
Copperfield reminds me of runway modeling... everyone oohs and ahhs but
no one in the real world will ever wear that stuff...it's just for show,
and there really isn't any practicality to it. In a way, he seems like a
pop-up book. The same gimmick on every page. (wow watch the big thing
disappear, wow look a wind machine)
I still miss doug henning tho... he wasn't the best magician but he sure
was a likeable guy... same with Mac King..except he really is a good
magician.
Art Begun
2003-07-10 01:11:43 UTC
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I miss DH too but I think you guys all forget how terrific DC's Flying
is. It is incredible. Also if you start looking at all of the stuff
he's done you'll be amazed at the variety. Some great comedy with his
shooting the duck out of a cannon, great drama with The Fan, the
elevator done better than anyone, the Death Saw (the woman next to me
during a live show apparently never saw it on tv and almost died when
the saw started sparking and fell thru him). And to take all that
stuff on tour is amazing.
Post by The Rat Girl
Post by richard cadot
What a relief to hear you guys say that... I felt so "alone" not being a
Copperfield kind of magic fan. He may well be a master at this kind of
magic, I just don't like that kind of magic, not the magician... People
usually don't understand what I mean.
Richard
Copperfield reminds me of runway modeling... everyone oohs and ahhs but
no one in the real world will ever wear that stuff...it's just for show,
and there really isn't any practicality to it. In a way, he seems like a
pop-up book. The same gimmick on every page. (wow watch the big thing
disappear, wow look a wind machine)
I still miss doug henning tho... he wasn't the best magician but he sure
was a likeable guy... same with Mac King..except he really is a good
magician.
Masked Magician
2003-07-10 02:50:36 UTC
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do you want me to post DC's plans for his flying trick
Little Paul
2003-07-10 11:29:12 UTC
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Post by Masked Magician
do you want me to post DC's plans for his flying trick
Ooh go on then! We've never seen those before! Noone has ever pointed
us at the patent on the US patent office website or anything like that
before or anything ever!!!

</sarcasam>
-Paul
Billy Magic
2003-07-10 03:20:26 UTC
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YEP and also doug hening is friends with david copperfield that
doug gave his illusions to dave copperfield

Re: Copperfield OR Penn & Teller?

Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Wed, Jul 9, 2003, 9:11pm From:
***@mindspring.com (Art=A0Begun)
I miss DH too but I think you guys all forget how terrific DC's Flying
is. It is incredible. Also if you start looking at all of the stuff he's
done you'll be amazed at the variety. Some great comedy with his
shooting the duck out of a cannon, great drama with The Fan, the
elevator done better than anyone, the Death Saw (the woman next to me
during a live show apparently never saw it on tv and almost died when
the saw started sparking and fell thru him). And to take all that stuff
on tour is amazing.
"The Rat Girl" <***@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:lOZOa.36744$***@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
richard cadot wrote:
What a relief to hear you guys say that... I felt so "alone" not being a
Copperfield kind of magic fan. He may well be a master at this kind of
magic, I just don't like that kind of magic, not the magician... People
usually don't understand what I mean.
Richard
Copperfield reminds me of runway modeling... everyone oohs and ahhs but
no one in the real world will ever wear that stuff...it's just for show,
and there really isn't any practicality to it. In a way, he seems like a
pop-up book. The same gimmick on every page. (wow watch the big thing
disappear, wow look a wind machine)
I still miss doug henning tho... he wasn't the best magician but he sure
was a likeable guy... same with Mac King..except he really is a good
magician.
Dan Perez
2003-07-10 04:56:40 UTC
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Definitely agree on Mac King. He gives a really fun show!
--
Dan Perez
Post by The Rat Girl
Post by richard cadot
What a relief to hear you guys say that... I felt so "alone" not being a
Copperfield kind of magic fan. He may well be a master at this kind of
magic, I just don't like that kind of magic, not the magician... People
usually don't understand what I mean.
Richard
Copperfield reminds me of runway modeling... everyone oohs and ahhs but
no one in the real world will ever wear that stuff...it's just for show,
and there really isn't any practicality to it. In a way, he seems like a
pop-up book. The same gimmick on every page. (wow watch the big thing
disappear, wow look a wind machine)
I still miss doug henning tho... he wasn't the best magician but he sure
was a likeable guy... same with Mac King..except he really is a good
magician.
Tinuecon
2003-07-08 18:24:50 UTC
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Post by Sanct
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Go out for a nice dinner....
Billy Magic
2003-07-17 02:29:28 UTC
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i get it lol its like trying to decide 2 big macs with cheeese and
special sause only at mcdonalds or foot long hot dogs at dairy qeen:)
or 2 woopers with everything on it

Re: Copperfield OR Penn & Teller?

Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Tue, Jul 8, 2003, 6:24pm (EDT+4) From:
***@aol.com (Tinuecon)
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Go out for a nice dinner....
PTRAVEL
2003-07-08 19:52:26 UTC
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Copperfield has a very good show, but I'd say it's Penn & Teller, hands
down. They offer considerably more than just magic, and their act is
completely unique.
Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
Randall Hawkins
2003-07-08 17:55:13 UTC
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Penn and Teller is a comedy act.
Copperfield is much more dramatic.
I have seen DC's new show and it is excellent.
I would choose DC if I hadn't seen him yet!
Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
Danno
2003-07-08 23:59:08 UTC
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Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
Definately Penn & Teller !!!! Their show is unique. They are both
great entertainers. Some of their magic is a little different. Hard to
explain, but definately not a flashy "production" type show.
Masked Magician
2003-07-09 00:05:10 UTC
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in my post I forgot to put my in put go see pen and teller they tell you how
they do it and will still fool you
Ed Rhodes
2003-08-08 13:19:32 UTC
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David Copperfield and Penn & Teller put on wonderful shows. Both are
different, but if I'd pick one to go to, I'd see Penn & Teller.
I have a lot of respect for the work P&T put into their routines, but after
reading about their sense of "humor" displayed at a magician's roast, I'd
pass on them.

This is not to attempt to censor P&T, they are free to do whatever the
market will bear. And I am free not to buy a ticket!
Cathe B
2003-08-08 18:38:14 UTC
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Post by Ed Rhodes
David Copperfield and Penn & Teller put on wonderful shows. Both are
different, but if I'd pick one to go to, I'd see Penn & Teller.
I have a lot of respect for the work P&T put into their routines, but after
reading about their sense of "humor" displayed at a magician's roast, I'd
pass on them.
This is not to attempt to censor P&T, they are free to do whatever the
market will bear. And I am free not to buy a ticket!
oh yes, it's very good to judge a comic bit based on hearsay.. for the
record, the audience there--the target of the birthday/roast event and
the reason for the specific prank played at this private event, had no
problems with it. (Just ask him...and ask what he has done in return.)
If anyone else was friends with the intended gift recpient, he or she
would have also understood that specific choice of pranks. In fact those
there, and those in the know? Got it.

C
Cathe B
2003-08-08 23:53:18 UTC
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Cathe
I was there too and I know the recipient well and know that no offence
was meant or taken by either the perpretater or the recipiient BUT I
totally dissagree with what you said that the audience had no problems
with it as i saw many people leaving and showing their dissaproval. I
also know the history of the "game" but do not feel that it should
nessacarily have been played in public. it did not offend me
personally but i have to respect Ed Rhodes views whether i agree with
them or not. I do not care one way or the other but he really is free
not to buy a ticket. That is all that he said and he got flamed for
it. I do not know you and I do not know ed Rhodes but give him a
break. AJ and penn obviously good friends of yours but they wre aware
and happy that they were being offensive to some people so do not
judge people for being offended.
Dave
point taken... no flame meant.. just an insiders reaction to the event
at hand. I do see why some whould be offended. I did see why some folks
left the room...and why the hotel got snippety as well. All things
seemed healed at this point, so I guess the re-pick at the wound set me
off. Apologies to Ed.

C
lensman1955
2003-08-09 13:17:40 UTC
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Post by Cathe B
Cathe
I was there too and I know the recipient well and know that no offence
was meant or taken by either the perpretater or the recipiient BUT I
totally dissagree with what you said that the audience had no problems
with it as i saw many people leaving and showing their dissaproval. I
also know the history of the "game" but do not feel that it should
nessacarily have been played in public. it did not offend me
personally but i have to respect Ed Rhodes views whether i agree with
them or not. I do not care one way or the other but he really is free
not to buy a ticket. That is all that he said and he got flamed for
it. I do not know you and I do not know ed Rhodes but give him a
break. AJ and penn obviously good friends of yours but they wre aware
and happy that they were being offensive to some people so do not
judge people for being offended.
Dave
point taken... no flame meant.. just an insiders reaction to the event
at hand. I do see why some whould be offended. I did see why some folks
left the room...and why the hotel got snippety as well. All things
seemed healed at this point, so I guess the re-pick at the wound set me
off. Apologies to Ed.
No probs.
Will Tingle
2003-08-10 21:57:18 UTC
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Post by Cathe B
after reading about their sense of "humor" displayed at a magician's
roast, I'd pass on them. This is not to attempt to censor P&T, they
are free to do whatever the market will bear.
oh yes, it's very good to judge a comic bit based on hearsay.. for the
record, the audience there--the target of the birthday/roast event and
the reason for the specific prank played at this private event, had no
problems with it. (Just ask him...and ask what he has done in return.)
Not being in contact with AJ I can't "ask him" but I am wildly curious -
what _did_ he do in return?
--
Will Tingle
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Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
--
"I have always made sure that the instructions were quite incomprehensible."
-Mark Lewis; author of "the long and short of it"
c***@yahoo.com
2003-07-09 03:22:08 UTC
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Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
This is a no-brainer...Penn & Teller. David Copperfield is second only
to Celine Dion as the most repulsive, annoying, and talentless
performer in Vegas. Also, you are already seeing a great Magician in
Lance Burton, wheras Penn & Teller (who are also great magicians in
their own right) blend dark comedy in their act. So with Lance and P &
T you have 2 different great shows using the same genre.
Jack Poulter
2003-07-10 00:35:07 UTC
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Post by c***@yahoo.com
This is a no-brainer...Penn & Teller.
While in "Lost Wages", try to see the afternoon shows by Mac King
(comedy magic) and the illusion show by Rick Thomas. Both are
excellent!

Jack.

P.S. I agree about P&T -- their live show is much better than what one
sees of them on TV.
The Magician
2003-07-11 02:57:43 UTC
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No matter what your taste in magic is...
Copperfield will go down in history as one of the Masters of Magic.
He's always an easy target for jealousy in this newsgroup...people on top
always are...
Ask 20 people in the street who David Copperfield is...and most will tell
you "That amazing guy who made the Statue of Liberty dissappear"...or some
similar description.
Ask 20 people who Penn & Teller are...and most will tell you they're a law
firm.
While I enjoy Penn & Teller immensely...they're brand of "Wild & Whacky Guy"
magic gets pretty annoying and DATED after awhile.
If I see ONE more guy acting like "a wild and crazy magic guy", or a "1940's
Con Man"...wearing a pinstriped suit, fedora or suspenders...I think I'll
PUKE!!!
C'MON...How frickin' EIGHTIES is THAT...???
And though Lance Burton is pretty good, he lost it after he opened his mouth
and talked in that nasal "suthurn" voice. He shoulda stuck to his silent
dove act.
Which by the way...USED to be what people in magic like Doug Henning, who
brought about a "Renaissance in Magic" were trying to get away from...dudes
in tuxedos with birds.
As fun as P&T can be...SOMETIMES...they're in my opinion...just a comedy act
that does magic.
If ya wanna see two schmos doing schtick....who 50 yrs. from now will be
forgotten in the public's eye...go see Penn & Teller...
If you wanna see a LEGEND Of MAGIC...
Treat yourself to Copperfield.

The Magician
Post by c***@yahoo.com
This is a no-brainer...Penn & Teller. David Copperfield is second only
to Celine Dion as the most repulsive, annoying, and talentless
performer in Vegas. Also, you are already seeing a great Magician in
Lance Burton, wheras Penn & Teller (who are also great magicians in
their own right) blend dark comedy in their act. So with Lance and P &
T you have 2 different great shows using the same genre.
Eric Simandl
2003-07-11 04:01:50 UTC
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...and they'll surely reply, "A Charles Dickens character, but not
nearly as well-wrought as Nicholas Nickelby or Uriah Heap or Phillip
Pirrip."

After all, the convict was Pip's benefactor, eh? Penn would know this
for sure. And Teller might, too; but he's not talking.
Post by The Magician
Ask 20 people in the street who David Copperfield is...
--
"If you don't do it this year, you'll be a year older when you do."
--Warren Miller
The Rat Girl
2003-07-11 16:27:50 UTC
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Post by Eric Simandl
...and they'll surely reply, "A Charles Dickens character, but not
nearly as well-wrought as Nicholas Nickelby or Uriah Heap or Phillip
Pirrip."
After all, the convict was Pip's benefactor, eh? Penn would know this
for sure. And Teller might, too; but he's not talking.
Post by The Magician
Ask 20 people in the street who David Copperfield is...
more reasons to love eric....

as far as magic goes, not only are the bad boys articulate and well
studied in their craft, but I have YET to see ANY 'magician' top
teller's shadow works.
Jack Poulter
2003-07-12 20:46:11 UTC
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Post by The Rat Girl
as far as magic goes, not only are the bad boys articulate and well
studied in their craft, but I have YET to see ANY 'magician' top
teller's shadow works.
You took the words right out of my mind; you must be fizzik! <g>

J.
*
2003-07-13 21:49:03 UTC
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Post by Jack Poulter
Post by The Rat Girl
as far as magic goes, not only are the bad boys articulate and well
studied in their craft, but I have YET to see ANY 'magician' top
teller's shadow works.
You took the words right out of my mind; you must be fizzik! <g>
J.
Did you ever have a fizzik? How about a Gin and Cola fizzies?
Jack Poulter
2003-07-14 00:20:04 UTC
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Post by *
Did you ever have a fizzik? How about a Gin and Cola fizzies?
Can't recall ever having either. In my powerful days I used to like Rye
& Cola, then Rum Avec (a splash of cola and fill with water), and when I
got sophisticated I went for Scotch & water. Gin in the Pimm's #1
formulary with a slice of cucumber and 7-Up is a fine summer drink.

Sorry about being off-topic...
DAAV0
2003-07-21 20:15:48 UTC
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The best magic tricks i have ever seen (after 40 years in love with the art)
were by relatively minor magicians. Every once in a while you see a carazini
or a pc sorcar, a tony slydini, etc. But did you ever sit down and watch Terry
Roses deal poker? Did you ever have Al Goshman show you the same sleight fifty
times in a row and never get tired of it? Did some guy you don't even know the
name of show you a ring on string move that was ubelievably magical?

Fame takes it's own toll, and the most famous are not the best at just about
anything. What is the most famous chocolate bar? Hersheys??

Go to Chelsea, to a store called Ro-cocoa---buy a chocolate bar, a chocolate
egg, a chocolate ANYTHING.

Take one bite.

Magic is just the same. There are masters, there are celebrities, there are
many many fine magicians.

I am not obsessed with magic. I see as many jazz players and bluegrass bands
as magicians, more plays, and far more movies.

But my favorite magician is the next one i see, and that's the truth.

David Perry
Pete Green
2003-07-23 01:24:59 UTC
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hmm new way of thinking cool:)
magically bill page
hans clock, and johnthen pendragon is good so i princess tenko and
rabbeca yen an melinda the first lady of magic and savana she hehehe
cut robin leaches head off in the harry ander sons way of doing the neat
illusion
the other way like pen rushell magician did on carool hofman news
lady on challe 10 news is good also.

Re: Copperfield OR Penn & Teller?

Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Mon, Jul 21, 2003, 8:15pm (EDT+4) From:
***@aol.com (DAAV0)
The best magic tricks i have ever seen (after 40 years in love with the
art) were by relatively minor magicians. Every once in a while you see a
carazini or a pc sorcar, a tony slydini, etc. But did you ever sit down
and watch Terry Roses deal poker? Did you ever have Al Goshman show you
the same sleight fifty times in a row and never get tired of it? Did
some guy you don't even know the name of show you a ring on string move
that was ubelievably magical?
Fame takes it's own toll, and the most famous are not the best at just
about anything. What is the most famous chocolate bar? Hersheys??
Go to Chelsea, to a store called Ro-cocoa---buy a chocolate bar, a
chocolate egg, a chocolate ANYTHING.
Take one bite.
Magic is just the same. There are masters, there are celebrities, there
are many many fine magicians.
I am not obsessed with magic. I see as many jazz players and bluegrass
bands as magicians, more plays, and far more movies.
But my favorite magician is the next one i see, and that's the truth.
David Perry
Ed Rhodes
2003-07-12 13:10:59 UTC
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Post by Eric Simandl
...and they'll surely reply, "A Charles Dickens character, but not
nearly as well-wrought as Nicholas Nickelby or Uriah Heap or Phillip
Pirrip."
Sadly, 20 average people on the street [might] know "Oliver Twist" as a
Dickens character, but they're going to think "magician" if you say "David
Copperfield" to them.
--
"A good nightmare comes so rarely, while ordinary dreams are so easy to
find."
LostVegan
2003-07-11 05:18:58 UTC
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His so-called tricks have been exposed
many times so he reverts to that stupid looking expression like he
just did something special.
It's gas.

--
Marty (to respond via email, drop 'your.pants')

"to be yourself, in a world that tries, night and day, to make
you just like everybody else - is to fight the greatest battle
there ever is to fight, and never stop fighting" -- e.e. cummings
fLaMePr0oF
2003-07-11 08:00:38 UTC
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Post by The Magician
No matter what your taste in magic is...
Copperfield will go down in history as one of the Masters of Magic.
Undoubtedly
Post by The Magician
He's always an easy target for jealousy in this newsgroup...people on top
always are...
A value judgement you are not qualified to make; when I said I found hiom
anoying,
that's exactly and only what I meant.
Post by The Magician
Ask 20 people in the street who David Copperfield is...and most will tell
you "That amazing guy who made the Statue of Liberty dissappear"...or some
similar description.
Ask 20 people who Penn & Teller are...and most will tell you they're a law
firm.
Bollocks. I believe Penn & Teller would be almost, (not quite), as well
known
as DC, anyway, if you ask ppl in the street who DC is here in the UK where
we have
a reasonably high degree of literary appreciation; most people would tell
you that DC is a Charles Dickens Character...
Post by The Magician
While I enjoy Penn & Teller immensely...they're brand of "Wild & Whacky Guy"
magic gets pretty annoying and DATED after awhile.
If I see ONE more guy acting like "a wild and crazy magic guy", or a "1940's
Con Man"...wearing a pinstriped suit, fedora or suspenders...I think I'll
PUKE!!!
C'MON...How frickin' EIGHTIES is THAT...???
Your first statement here is the key, everything else you say is irrelevant.
P&T have PIONEERED the kind of visual magic and slapstick which others
are copying in different areas; even such figures as Jay and Silent Bob owe
their
inspiration to P&T, who have gloriously resurected the Marx Brothers
tradition
of slapstick in their magic.
Post by The Magician
And though Lance Burton is pretty good, he lost it after he opened his mouth
and talked in that nasal "suthurn" voice. He shoulda stuck to his silent
dove act.
Er... wasn't the dove act Valentine, the hated masked magician???
Post by The Magician
Which by the way...USED to be what people in magic like Doug Henning, who
brought about a "Renaissance in Magic" were trying to get away
from...dudes
Post by The Magician
in tuxedos with birds.
Well, while I love and embrace the new, (such as Penn & Teller as compared
to DC)
I think its a crying shame when magic basterdises it's self by disowning
it's own
heritage and parents. As a performance art, it's vital IMO that we move on
with popular culture, while still keeping a foot rooted in our past
tradition.
Post by The Magician
As fun as P&T can be...SOMETIMES...they're in my opinion...just a comedy act
that does magic.
Making a statement like that about two of the greats, I would put it to the
group that you don't
deserve to call yourself "The Magician". In fact I'd like to see you go up
to P&T and say, "Hey schmos,
I'm 'The Magician', and you guys suck such big time you don't even deserve
to call yourselves
by the same title, you're just a couple of comediens with some tricks"...
Post by The Magician
If ya wanna see two schmos doing schtick....who 50 yrs. from now will be
forgotten in the public's eye...go see Penn & Teller...
If you wanna see a LEGEND Of MAGIC...
Treat yourself to Copperfield.
The Magician
Post by c***@yahoo.com
This is a no-brainer...Penn & Teller. David Copperfield is second only
to Celine Dion as the most repulsive, annoying, and talentless
performer in Vegas. Also, you are already seeing a great Magician in
Lance Burton, wheras Penn & Teller (who are also great magicians in
their own right) blend dark comedy in their act. So with Lance and P &
T you have 2 different great shows using the same genre.
Will Tingle
2003-07-11 08:56:00 UTC
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Post by fLaMePr0oF
Post by The Magician
He's always an easy target for jealousy in this newsgroup...people on top
always are...
A value judgement you are not qualified to make; when I said I found
hiom anoying, that's exactly and only what I meant.
I also find him annoying, while I can see that he is more "artistic" and
"showier" than most, I just don't like that.

He impresses me, but he doesn't entertain me - in the same way that
classical opera completely fails to entertain me, yet I love "the rocky
horror show": the former may be a greater showcase of technical ability,
however the latter is undeniably more _fun_.

Besides which, Copperfield isn't really a 'one man sow' is he? He's just
the front man (and therefor credit taker) for a whole army of talented
"assistants" who do most of the real work (off stage / screen)
Post by fLaMePr0oF
Post by The Magician
As fun as P&T can be...SOMETIMES...they're in my opinion...just a
comedy act that does magic.
Making a statement like that about two of the greats, I would put it to
the group that you don't deserve to call yourself "The Magician". In
fact I'd like to see you go up to P&T and say, "Hey schmos, I'm 'The
Magician', and you guys suck such big time you don't even deserve to
call yourselves by the same title, you're just a couple of comediens
with some tricks"...
Absolutely!

Teller in particular is one of the greatest slight-of-hand men working
today!
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The Magician
2003-07-11 18:22:41 UTC
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David Copperfield is a poser. His so-called tricks have been exposed
many times so he reverts to that stupid looking expression like he
just did something special. You're right, David Copperfield will be
remembered many years from now, the only problem is it's NOT David
Copperfield the magician.
Yep...no shit he's a "poser"...if you ever saw Houdini's act...you'd say the
same thing.
Houdini was grandiose, talked like a carnival barker, and also did large
scale illusions and escapes.
You people missed the point...(and the bus)
He's always an easy target for jealousy in this newsgroup...people on top
always are...
A value judgement you are not qualified to make; when I said I found hiom
anoying, that's exactly and only what I meant.
My "qualifications" are nothing for you to judge...but the fact remains on
this newsgroup...that's all you see...jealous hasbeens or neverbeens
"Critiquing" all the biggest names in magic.
Just watch this place the day after Copperfield or Blaine does a TV
special...worst that a bunch of old hens. And what I find utterly amazing is
they let Lance Burton slide.
(basically a second fiddle Copperfield-wanna-be with exactly the same kinda
act, and large crew...just worse hair.)
Er... wasn't the dove act Valentine, the hated masked magician???
Nooooo...if you knew anything about magic and were older than 17...you'd
probably remember that when Burton first hit the scene and started doing TV
gigs...his original act was a silent one of a debonair guy in a tux doing a
dove act. (which I gotta give him his props...WAS good. Until he spoke and
ruined it...and then he started copying Copperfield.)
But that's just...MY taste in magic.
Which brings me back to square one ane the original point I was trying to
make and which caused me to write my first post...
It's all a matter of taste basically...that's fine...
If he's really not your cup of tea...great.
But on this particular newsgroup...trying to tear down the people who are
the biggest names in magic
is always par for the course. Copperfield's has brought magic to heights
that it's never been before....more than few other magicians.
Sure he NOW has a crew to back him...but he didn't always...and...SO
WHAT...what's your point?
Making statments about being a "front man" is like saying Elvis or Frank
Sinatra weren't legends cuz they didn't write their own music and had
orchestras behind them to sound good.
You'll not see a more polished, and perfect act around.
And it's not all about "Large windblown illusions".
He's also a very accomplished sleight of hand artist who has also pioneered
the handheld camera with closeup stuff for a large audience.
And just watch how many of the "critics" in this group run out the next day
to the magic shops, and trip over each other to be first to buy tricks like
the pencil thru a dollar after watching him perform it the night before on
television. Sure he didn't "invent" them..so what...?
Copperfield and Blaine also do wonders for magic SALES as well.
How many people sold out magic stores trying to buy the Balducci levitation
the next day...?
And sure...David Blaine does stuff like the cigarette thru a quarter...which
every 16 yr. old has in his repertoire...but HE'S amazing people and causing
them to kinda believe he has powers other than being a mere performer.
None of these Harry Anderson clones in fedoras and pinstripe running around
the past years doing
"5000 backbreaking sleights with a chop cup and an African Pissing Beetle"
can get the same response from the public. Who cares if you can do a
"triple vallhalla hail mary pass" with a deck of cards...?
Only magicians...not the public. They don't care how well you can do a
backpalm...they just want to be entertained...which is what Copperfield and
Blaine do.
And Blane and Copperfield are also making MILLIONS...
The schmucks who put them down all the time here on this group are doing
bithday gigs and supermarket openings.
Copperfield made roughly around 85 million last year...dat's gotta say
something.
Can Penn & Teller make that claim...I seriously DOUBT IT.
3 words...
BOX OFFICE DRAW.
Given the opportunity, deciding who to see for the first time...Copperfield
or Penn & Teller is like saying
"Hmmm...who to go see...Houdini...or the Amazing Jonathan...?"
So give a little credit...where credit is due.
Like I said...it's easy to be a target when your at the top.
Teller in particular is one of the greatest slight-of-hand men working
today!

Ummm....nope...sorry.
fLaMePr0oF
2003-07-11 21:45:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Magician
David Copperfield is a poser. His so-called tricks have been exposed
many times so he reverts to that stupid looking expression like he
just did something special. You're right, David Copperfield will be
remembered many years from now, the only problem is it's NOT David
Copperfield the magician.
Yep...no shit he's a "poser"...if you ever saw Houdini's act...you'd say the
same thing.
Houdini was grandiose, talked like a carnival barker, and also did large
scale illusions and escapes.
You people missed the point...(and the bus)
He's always an easy target for jealousy in this newsgroup...people on top
always are...
A value judgement you are not qualified to make; when I said I found hiom
anoying, that's exactly and only what I meant.
My "qualifications" are nothing for you to judge...but the fact remains on
this newsgroup...that's all you see...jealous hasbeens or neverbeens
"Critiquing" all the biggest names in magic.
Oh, and you're not??? In fact, in this thread we hav all expressed nothing
more than personal preference but YOU are the ONLY one who has offered a
'bitchy critique' of the performers under discussion.
Post by The Magician
Just watch this place the day after Copperfield or Blaine does a TV
special...worst that a bunch of old hens. And what I find utterly amazing is
they let Lance Burton slide.
(basically a second fiddle Copperfield-wanna-be with exactly the same kinda
act, and large crew...just worse hair.)
Er... wasn't the dove act Valentine, the hated masked magician???
Nooooo...if you knew anything about magic and were older than 17...you'd
probably remember that when Burton first hit the scene and started doing TV
gigs...
Well, we obviously didn't get those shows here in the UK, but my comment is
correct to the extent that Valentino's
only notable achievement was a (admittedly VERY good) silent dove act. I
believe that this was before Burton but you
may be able to correct me on that. (By the way, I'm 32, married with 4
kids - again you're making very bad value judgements, tut tut)
Post by The Magician
his original act was a silent one of a debonair guy in a tux doing a
dove act. (which I gotta give him his props...WAS good. Until he spoke and
ruined it...and then he started copying Copperfield.)
But that's just...MY taste in magic.
Which brings me back to square one ane the original point I was trying to
make and which caused me to write my first post...
It's all a matter of taste basically...that's fine...
If he's really not your cup of tea...great.
Yes, that's what we've been expressing - our taste or 'cup of tea but...
Post by The Magician
But on this particular newsgroup...trying to tear down the people who are
the biggest names in magic
THIS is what you've done - your post was a scathing and critical attack on
T&T and a slavish
'lick his butt' tribute to DC. You have serious problems dude, you're
looking at everyone here in this group,
but all you can see are your own faults projected into them. Sure, things
do fairly scratchy in here from time to time,
THAT'S what Usenet is for among other things, but in this thread, the only
person guilty of the things you're accusing of
is YOU.

Listen, you've made it patently obvious that you wanna be DC's love bitch,
so if you can't handle anyone saying anything 'bad' about him, I suggest you
find another group to read.
Post by The Magician
is always par for the course. Copperfield's has brought magic to heights
that it's never been before....more than few other magicians.
Sure he NOW has a crew to back him...but he didn't always...and...SO
WHAT...what's your point?
Making statments about being a "front man" is like saying Elvis or Frank
Sinatra weren't legends cuz they didn't write their own music and had
orchestras behind them to sound good.
You'll not see a more polished, and perfect act around.
And it's not all about "Large windblown illusions".
He's also a very accomplished sleight of hand artist who has also pioneered
the handheld camera with closeup stuff for a large audience.
And just watch how many of the "critics" in this group run out the next day
to the magic shops, and trip over each other to be first to buy tricks like
the pencil thru a dollar after watching him perform it the night before on
television. Sure he didn't "invent" them..so what...?
Copperfield and Blaine also do wonders for magic SALES as well.
How many people sold out magic stores trying to buy the Balducci levitation
the next day...?
And sure...David Blaine does stuff like the cigarette thru a
quarter...which
Post by The Magician
every 16 yr. old has in his repertoire...but HE'S amazing people and causing
them to kinda believe he has powers other than being a mere performer.
None of these Harry Anderson clones in fedoras and pinstripe running around
the past years doing
"5000 backbreaking sleights with a chop cup and an African Pissing Beetle"
can get the same response from the public. Who cares if you can do a
"triple vallhalla hail mary pass" with a deck of cards...?
Only magicians...not the public. They don't care how well you can do a
backpalm...they just want to be entertained...which is what Copperfield and
Blaine do.
And Blane and Copperfield are also making MILLIONS...
The schmucks who put them down all the time here on this group are doing
bithday gigs and supermarket openings.
Copperfield made roughly around 85 million last year...dat's gotta say
something.
Can Penn & Teller make that claim...I seriously DOUBT IT.
3 words...
BOX OFFICE DRAW.
Given the opportunity, deciding who to see for the first
time...Copperfield
Post by The Magician
or Penn & Teller is like saying
"Hmmm...who to go see...Houdini...or the Amazing Jonathan...?"
So give a little credit...where credit is due.
Like I said...it's easy to be a target when your at the top.
Teller in particular is one of the greatest slight-of-hand men working
today!
Ummm....nope...sorry.
Pete Green
2003-07-11 22:53:14 UTC
Permalink
yep pro magician Doug Henning saved the illusions of Science and Pro
Magician David Copperfield perserved the Ilusions of science.

Re: Copperfield OR Penn & Teller?

Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Fri, Jul 11, 2003, 6:22pm (EDT+4) From:
***@adropofahat.com (The=A0Magician)
David Copperfield is a poser. His so-called tricks have been exposed
many times so he reverts to that stupid looking expression like he just
did something special. You're right, David Copperfield will be
remembered many years from now, the only problem is it's NOT David
Copperfield the magician.
Yep...no shit he's a "poser"...if you ever saw Houdini's act...you'd say
the
same thing.
Houdini was grandiose, talked like a carnival barker, and also did large
scale illusions and escapes.
You people missed the point...(and the bus)
He's always an easy target for jealousy in this newsgroup...people on
top always are...
A value judgement you are not qualified to make; when I said I found
hiom anoying, that's exactly and only what I meant.
My "qualifications" are nothing for you to judge...but the fact remains
on this newsgroup...that's all you see...jealous hasbeens or neverbeens
"Critiquing" all the biggest names in magic.
Just watch this place the day after Copperfield or Blaine does a TV
special...worst that a bunch of old hens. And what I find utterly
amazing is they let Lance Burton slide.
(basically a second fiddle Copperfield-wanna-be with exactly the same
kinda act, and large crew...just worse hair.)
Er... wasn't the dove act Valentine, the hated masked magician???
Nooooo...if you knew anything about magic and were older than 17...you'd
probably remember that when Burton first hit the scene and started doing
TV gigs...his original act was a silent one of a debonair guy in a tux
doing a dove act. (which I gotta give him his props...WAS good. Until he
spoke and ruined it...and then he started copying Copperfield.) But
that's just...MY taste in magic.
Which brings me back to square one ane the original point I was trying
to make and which caused me to write my first post... It's all a matter
of taste basically...that's fine... If he's really not your cup of
tea...great.
But on this particular newsgroup...trying to tear down the people who
are the biggest names in magic
is always par for the course. Copperfield's has brought magic to heights
that it's never been before....more than few other magicians. Sure he
NOW has a crew to back him...but he didn't always...and...SO
WHAT...what's your point?
Making statments about being a "front man" is like saying Elvis or Frank
Sinatra weren't legends cuz they didn't write their own music and had
orchestras behind them to sound good.
You'll not see a more polished, and perfect act around. And it's not all
about "Large windblown illusions". He's also a very accomplished sleight
of hand artist who has also pioneered the handheld camera with closeup
stuff for a large audience. And just watch how many of the "critics" in
this group run out the next day to the magic shops, and trip over each
other to be first to buy tricks like the pencil thru a dollar after
watching him perform it the night before on television. Sure he didn't
"invent" them..so what...? Copperfield and Blaine also do wonders for
magic SALES as well. How many people sold out magic stores trying to buy
the Balducci levitation the next day...?
And sure...David Blaine does stuff like the cigarette thru a
quarter...which every 16 yr. old has in his repertoire...but HE'S
amazing people and causing them to kinda believe he has powers other
than being a mere performer. None of these Harry Anderson clones in
fedoras and pinstripe running around the past years doing
"5000 backbreaking sleights with a chop cup and an African Pissing
Beetle" can get the same response from the public. Who cares if you can
do a "triple vallhalla hail mary pass" with a deck of cards...? Only
magicians...not the public. They don't care how well you can do a
backpalm...they just want to be entertained...which is what Copperfield
and Blaine do.
And Blane and Copperfield are also making MILLIONS... The schmucks who
put them down all the time here on this group are doing bithday gigs and
supermarket openings.
Copperfield made roughly around 85 million last year...dat's gotta say
something.
Can Penn & Teller make that claim...I seriously DOUBT IT. 3 words...
BOX OFFICE DRAW.
Given the opportunity, deciding who to see for the first
time...Copperfield or Penn & Teller is like saying
"Hmmm...who to go see...Houdini...or the Amazing Jonathan...?" So give a
little credit...where credit is due. Like I said...it's easy to be a
target when your at the top.
Teller in particular is one of the greatest slight-of-hand men working
today!
Ummm....nope...sorry.


every bodys good with practice
Ed Rhodes
2003-07-12 13:15:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Magician
David Copperfield is a poser. His so-called tricks have been exposed
many times so he reverts to that stupid looking expression like he
just did something special. You're right, David Copperfield will be
remembered many years from now, the only problem is it's NOT David
Copperfield the magician.
Yep...no shit he's a "poser"...if you ever saw Houdini's act...you'd say the
same thing.
Houdini was grandiose, talked like a carnival barker, and also did large
scale illusions and escapes.
You people missed the point...(and the bus)
He's always an easy target for jealousy in this newsgroup...people on top
always are...
A value judgement you are not qualified to make; when I said I found hiom
anoying, that's exactly and only what I meant.
My "qualifications" are nothing for you to judge...but the fact remains on
this newsgroup...that's all you see...jealous hasbeens or neverbeens
"Critiquing" all the biggest names in magic.
Just watch this place the day after Copperfield or Blaine does a TV
special...worst that a bunch of old hens. And what I find utterly amazing is
they let Lance Burton slide.
(basically a second fiddle Copperfield-wanna-be with exactly the same kinda
act, and large crew...just worse hair.)
Er... wasn't the dove act Valentine, the hated masked magician???
Nooooo...if you knew anything about magic and were older than 17...you'd
probably remember that when Burton first hit the scene and started doing TV
gigs...his original act was a silent one of a debonair guy in a tux doing a
dove act. (which I gotta give him his props...WAS good. Until he spoke and
ruined it...and then he started copying Copperfield.)
Actually, I don't mind Burton's "down home" twang. It's not as heavy as say,
Jeff Foxworthy, and I can get around that.

I first saw him do his "masked swordsman" act. I didn't see the dove act
until much later.

I also remember him as the "evil magician" on a "Knight Rider" episode!
Will Tingle
2003-07-12 13:55:56 UTC
Permalink
I've seen P&T and loved them. But what is it that caused Penn's distaste
for Blaine?
I haven't heard any of his comments so I don't really know, however I'm
guessing it's just that Blaine is well known an the moment - and
therefor a 'funny' target.

Like, when P&T made a TV series here in the UK, they kept having digs at
Paul Daniells.
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salmoneous
2003-07-12 23:34:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Will Tingle
I haven't heard any of his comments so I don't really know, however I'm
guessing it's just that Blaine is well known an the moment - and
therefor a 'funny' target.
It wouldn't surprise me. From everything I've heard, they and Lance
Burton are honest to goodness friends, but Penn can be very harsh on
Burton in the act. Part of Penn's speel (and you can never really tell
with Penn what is act and what he honestly believes) is his disdane
for anyone who claims to be doing magic rather than performing <Penn
voice> A TRICK </voice>
Art Begun
2003-07-09 07:32:47 UTC
Permalink
I would skip Lance Burton if that made your choice easier. My wife's
teenage nieces saw the show not too long ago and couldn't believe how
much was revealed if you sat near the stage. Very dissappointed.
Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
Mike
2003-07-09 07:42:07 UTC
Permalink
Penn and Teller are more a comedy act as well as magic and often push the
envelope as far as taste. Penn and Teller compares more to Stern-let it
fly.

Cooperfield is the polished, mysterious, illusionist with all the bells and
whsitles. He takes the magic to the elite level like Paul Harvey.

Personally, somewhere in between is Lance Burton who seems to combine the
gentleness and polish of magic with occasional punch, comedy, and fun.

I think Lance is #1 right now. Siegfried and Roy need to retire for a while
and refine their act with new magic.
You have GOT to be kidding me...
Comparing David Cooperfield to Penn and Teller is like comparing Paul
Harvey
to Howard Stern...
Not even close....
(And I do like Howard but for different reasons than Paul...)
Mike
Post by Sanct
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
The Rat Girl
2003-07-09 17:55:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike
Personally, somewhere in between is Lance Burton who seems to combine the
gentleness and polish of magic with occasional punch, comedy, and fun.
lol, it's one thing about Lance..you never have to worry about him going
over someone's head!!
lol
Art Begun
2003-07-09 17:45:13 UTC
Permalink
Another thing to consider is DC does the most touring and Las Vegas is
probably the most expensive venue to see him perform. So probably
should pick an alternative if you live where DC may visit with a show.
Post by Sanct
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time
restrictions.
Since you seem to be a fan of magic, I assume you've seen these guys
on TV. What you see on TV is basically the same schtick you'll see
in
person, so you should know best what you like to watch. Personally,
I
find P&T *much* more interesting than the other guys.
One other fact to consider is that after the show, P&T hang out and
meet their fans.
Ed Rhodes
2003-07-10 12:13:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Art Begun
Another thing to consider is DC does the most touring and Las Vegas is
probably the most expensive venue to see him perform. So probably
should pick an alternative if you live where DC may visit with a show.
Given a choice, I would choose DC... I have a lot of respect for how much
work P&T put into their presentations, I just don't [like] them very much!
Billy Magic
2003-07-10 03:13:36 UTC
Permalink
i have to be honest i like david copperfield style of performing.
i like all folks but when folks ask me whos your fav i say
copperfield:)

Copperfield OR Penn & Teller?

Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Tue, Jul 8, 2003, 2:00pm (EDT+4) From:
***@hotmail.com (Sanct)
Hi All
I will be visiting Las Vegas in September from the UK. I will only be
there a short time, and need to choose between David Copperfield at MGM
Grand or Penn & Teller at the Rio. The price difference doesn't really
matter, but there is no way I can see both due to time restrictions.
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for the help & advice,
Sanct
Sanct
2003-07-11 10:28:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sanct
I have already booked Siegfried & Roy and Lance Burton is planned - but
I just can't decide between Copperfield and Penn & Teller. Anyone got
any views?
Thanks for everyone's comments. I think I may have to give my wife the
deciding vote here - it's a difficult choice for me! I've never seen
either live, but I enjoy both from what I've seen and read.

I think the Copperfield show at the MGM is supposed to be slightly
different from his past 'bigger' shows - the theatre apparently is only
a 700-or-so seater. I think that fact may sway it for me in his favour
- but it's certainly close.

I sure whichever I choose I won't be disappointed - and I'll probably
never know what I've missed (unless I go back to Vegas again...)

Anyway, thanks.

Sanct
fLaMePr0oF
2003-07-11 16:33:48 UTC
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Not at all, thanks for the post - you started a pretty good debate here!
;o)

fLaMePr0oF <><
Post by Sanct
Anyway, thanks.
Sanct
Robert Glass
2003-07-12 01:07:10 UTC
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I guess I'm in the minority, but DC's flying illusion is the single
most moving and impressive performance I've seen, in a long history of
attending live performances -- going back to Lee Grable.

From the moment DC sits on the lip of the stage with the falcon and
talks about wanting to fly since he was a little boy, to bringing part
of the "audience" up onstage with him to sit in the grandstand and
watch, to his initial liftoff and all that follows -- climaxing with
his lifing one of the "audience" volunteers in his arms and flying
with her -- I was in tears the first time I saw it, and every
performance since.

For me, it is simply one of the most magnificently conceived, built,
choreographed and fully realized illusions in the history of
theatrical magic.

Even though I know it's built on the "Dancing Handkerchiefs," and even
though I've seen its plans, it still fills me with the wonder I've had
since I was a child for truly great magic and truly great stagecraft.

I love P & T too. Particularly their staging of the Bullet Catch.
Never fails to make me nervous. They too are brilliant. And funny. And
impressive.

But DC engages me emotionally as well as intellectually. His
showmanship and staging are so emotionally fulfilling that "How does
he DO that?" becomes secondary to "How magnificent!"

With P & T's droll detachment, I'm always impressed and entertained,
but still stuck with the intellectual, "How'd they DO that!"

When in Rome, etc. When in Vegas, IMHO, it's DC, for the ultimate in
theatrical magic.
fLaMePr0oF
2003-07-12 03:09:21 UTC
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I'd have to agree completely, I guess The difference between me and all the
other ppl who'd chose P&T, and you guys who'd go for DC, is that We're the
sort who'd rather sit through a movie or a play, while you guys would prefer
Opera or ballet...

Although we don't appreciate DC at that level, we have too, (sometimes
grudgingly), put DC in that artistic category and give him the respect he,
therefore deserves.

I personally believe that DC truly performs at that level, and values his
art accordingly. Although I certainly wouldn't intellectually make the
mistake of interpreting this passion of DC's for simple arrogance - I can't
really help that that's how I naturally perceive it :)

fLaMePr0oF <><
Post by Robert Glass
I guess I'm in the minority, but DC's flying illusion is the single
most moving and impressive performance I've seen, in a long history of
attending live performances -- going back to Lee Grable.
From the moment DC sits on the lip of the stage with the falcon and
talks about wanting to fly since he was a little boy, to bringing part
of the "audience" up onstage with him to sit in the grandstand and
watch, to his initial liftoff and all that follows -- climaxing with
his lifing one of the "audience" volunteers in his arms and flying
with her -- I was in tears the first time I saw it, and every
performance since.
For me, it is simply one of the most magnificently conceived, built,
choreographed and fully realized illusions in the history of
theatrical magic.
Even though I know it's built on the "Dancing Handkerchiefs," and even
though I've seen its plans, it still fills me with the wonder I've had
since I was a child for truly great magic and truly great stagecraft.
I love P & T too. Particularly their staging of the Bullet Catch.
Never fails to make me nervous. They too are brilliant. And funny. And
impressive.
But DC engages me emotionally as well as intellectually. His
showmanship and staging are so emotionally fulfilling that "How does
he DO that?" becomes secondary to "How magnificent!"
With P & T's droll detachment, I'm always impressed and entertained,
but still stuck with the intellectual, "How'd they DO that!"
When in Rome, etc. When in Vegas, IMHO, it's DC, for the ultimate in
theatrical magic.
fLaMePr0oF
2003-07-12 04:15:19 UTC
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...Of course my gut might be right and he might just be an arogant bastard
in it only for the fame and money... ;o)

fLaMePr0oF <><
Post by fLaMePr0oF
I'd have to agree completely, I guess The difference between me and all the
other ppl who'd chose P&T, and you guys who'd go for DC, is that We're the
sort who'd rather sit through a movie or a play, while you guys would prefer
Opera or ballet...
Although we don't appreciate DC at that level, we have too, (sometimes
grudgingly), put DC in that artistic category and give him the respect he,
therefore deserves.
I personally believe that DC truly performs at that level, and values his
art accordingly. Although I certainly wouldn't intellectually make the
mistake of interpreting this passion of DC's for simple arrogance - I can't
really help that that's how I naturally perceive it :)
fLaMePr0oF <><
Post by Robert Glass
I guess I'm in the minority, but DC's flying illusion is the single
most moving and impressive performance I've seen, in a long history of
attending live performances -- going back to Lee Grable.
From the moment DC sits on the lip of the stage with the falcon and
talks about wanting to fly since he was a little boy, to bringing part
of the "audience" up onstage with him to sit in the grandstand and
watch, to his initial liftoff and all that follows -- climaxing with
his lifing one of the "audience" volunteers in his arms and flying
with her -- I was in tears the first time I saw it, and every
performance since.
For me, it is simply one of the most magnificently conceived, built,
choreographed and fully realized illusions in the history of
theatrical magic.
Even though I know it's built on the "Dancing Handkerchiefs," and even
though I've seen its plans, it still fills me with the wonder I've had
since I was a child for truly great magic and truly great stagecraft.
I love P & T too. Particularly their staging of the Bullet Catch.
Never fails to make me nervous. They too are brilliant. And funny. And
impressive.
But DC engages me emotionally as well as intellectually. His
showmanship and staging are so emotionally fulfilling that "How does
he DO that?" becomes secondary to "How magnificent!"
With P & T's droll detachment, I'm always impressed and entertained,
but still stuck with the intellectual, "How'd they DO that!"
When in Rome, etc. When in Vegas, IMHO, it's DC, for the ultimate in
theatrical magic.
Ed Rhodes
2003-07-12 13:19:32 UTC
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Post by fLaMePr0oF
I'd have to agree completely, I guess The difference between me and all the
other ppl who'd chose P&T, and you guys who'd go for DC, is that We're the
sort who'd rather sit through a movie or a play, while you guys would prefer
Opera or ballet...
Actually, I always figured the DC people going to a Broadway musical... the
P&T people would rather go to a jazz nightclub.
--
"A good nightmare comes so rarely, while ordinary dreams are so easy to
find."
Joe Dirt
2003-07-12 03:37:45 UTC
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Dear Robert Glass,

Since you are so moved by that two-bit, and overrated David Copperfield, I
am sure that when you are not in Vegas watching your magician god you are
probably in Santa Ynez at Neverland Ranch running around in pajamas!!!
Post by Robert Glass
I guess I'm in the minority, but DC's flying illusion is the single
most moving and impressive performance I've seen, in a long history of
attending live performances -- going back to Lee Grable.
From the moment DC sits on the lip of the stage with the falcon and
talks about wanting to fly since he was a little boy, to bringing part
of the "audience" up onstage with him to sit in the grandstand and
watch, to his initial liftoff and all that follows -- climaxing with
his lifing one of the "audience" volunteers in his arms and flying
with her -- I was in tears the first time I saw it, and every
performance since.
For me, it is simply one of the most magnificently conceived, built,
choreographed and fully realized illusions in the history of
theatrical magic.
Even though I know it's built on the "Dancing Handkerchiefs," and even
though I've seen its plans, it still fills me with the wonder I've had
since I was a child for truly great magic and truly great stagecraft.
I love P & T too. Particularly their staging of the Bullet Catch.
Never fails to make me nervous. They too are brilliant. And funny. And
impressive.
But DC engages me emotionally as well as intellectually. His
showmanship and staging are so emotionally fulfilling that "How does
he DO that?" becomes secondary to "How magnificent!"
With P & T's droll detachment, I'm always impressed and entertained,
but still stuck with the intellectual, "How'd they DO that!"
When in Rome, etc. When in Vegas, IMHO, it's DC, for the ultimate in
theatrical magic.
Richard Cadot
2003-07-12 04:23:59 UTC
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It seems like this thread is quite popular... Although I said that DC kinda
of magic wasn't my favorite, I got tickets to see his show live in Montreal
as a birthday present today and was very excited. Maybe the "real" thing
will change my point of view, maybe not. But I am looking forward to it and
hope to be very entertained. If he makes me feel like a kid, I'll love him,
if I can only see a big budget production, I will stand my grounds... :-)

Richard
Post by Robert Glass
I guess I'm in the minority, but DC's flying illusion is the single
most moving and impressive performance I've seen, in a long history of
attending live performances -- going back to Lee Grable.
From the moment DC sits on the lip of the stage with the falcon and
talks about wanting to fly since he was a little boy, to bringing part
of the "audience" up onstage with him to sit in the grandstand and
watch, to his initial liftoff and all that follows -- climaxing with
his lifing one of the "audience" volunteers in his arms and flying
with her -- I was in tears the first time I saw it, and every
performance since.
For me, it is simply one of the most magnificently conceived, built,
choreographed and fully realized illusions in the history of
theatrical magic.
Even though I know it's built on the "Dancing Handkerchiefs," and even
though I've seen its plans, it still fills me with the wonder I've had
since I was a child for truly great magic and truly great stagecraft.
I love P & T too. Particularly their staging of the Bullet Catch.
Never fails to make me nervous. They too are brilliant. And funny. And
impressive.
But DC engages me emotionally as well as intellectually. His
showmanship and staging are so emotionally fulfilling that "How does
he DO that?" becomes secondary to "How magnificent!"
With P & T's droll detachment, I'm always impressed and entertained,
but still stuck with the intellectual, "How'd they DO that!"
When in Rome, etc. When in Vegas, IMHO, it's DC, for the ultimate in
theatrical magic.
R.J.
2003-07-13 13:50:52 UTC
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I have never seen David Copperfield live, but I have seen Penn &
Teller and they were great. The show was awesome and afterwards they
signed tons of autographs outside and they even talked to me for a
couple minutes about magic. The bullet catch is unbelievable, too, if
they do it.

~R.J.
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